Andrew Strom
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From: “ANZAC Prophetic List” <prophetic@…>
Date: Wed, 03 Nov 2004 15:32:29 -0600
I'm LEAVING the PROPHETIC MOVEMENT
-by Andrew Strom.

RE:  The KC 'Whitedove' Conference (-Main speakers:  Bob Jones,
Paul Keith Davis, Bobby Conner, John Paul Jackson - plus Jim 
Goll and others).

It is with great sadness that I make the following report.

I said last week that the 'Whitedove' conference in Kansas City
this past weekend would be a pivotal one. It certainly was
pivotal for me personally. I wish I could say that there was deep 
repentance - that the preaching was incredibly anointed and the 
crowd were on their faces crying before God. I wish I could say 
that, but I can't.  In fact, it seemed to me that the opposite was 
true. The saddest thing of all is that many people probably came 
away from this conference saying how "wonderful" and "uplifting" 
it was (-just as they always do). But I have to tell you, I was 
grieved to the core by it. Many parts of it I would even describe as
spiritually "sick".

Some people believe that the fall of Paul Cain into serious sin is
some kind of aberration - just one individual's problem. But I am 
convinced that the fall of Paul Cain (-who was recognised worldwide 
as the 'father' of this movement) is a symptom of a much wider
disease. The whole movement is sick. As I have stated in previous 
articles, the 'Prophetic' as we know it is really a "fallen" movement - 
since the early 1990's. But I always held out hope that it would 
somehow turn around and get back on track again. In fact, I believed 
that this conference was a heaven-sent opportunity for that to happen. 

However, after what I saw this weekend, I no longer believe this is 
possible. The deception is now too deep. This movement is being 
"given over to believe a lie" and I want no part of it. I am cutting 
myself off, because I cannot afford the disease to spread into what 
we ourselves are doing. Things have now gotten so bad that we have 
to separate ourselves - and to do so publicly.

As you know, I requested special prayer from you all last week that 
a true spirit of Repentance might prevail in this conference. The 
reason I made this request was because God had woken me up 
at 6 am the previous Friday and given me a strong word about the 
conference. (God only wakes me up like this quite rarely - perhaps 
five times a year).

The word He gave me was that this must be a 'repentance' conference -
that this was in essence the "last chance" for the Prophetic
movement because it had become more and more corrupt -
centered around money and 'ear-tickling' words, false prophecy and
so-on. This was a gathering of KEY prophets at a moment in time 
when the 'father' of the movement had just fallen. It was God's ideal 
moment for a truly "solemn assembly". (And yes - I did write and 
pass this word on - in person - to the three main leaders of the conference).

However, what actually eventuated at this event seemed to me to
be more akin to a circus than a solemn assembly. The music, 
the concert-style lighting, the stage dancers, the groaning tables 
stacked high with books and CD's for sale, the 'ear-tickling', the 
hype, the $40.00 door fee (plus extra offerings taken each session) - 
and that's just for starters.

What really bothered me about the weekend was the total lack 
of any truly 'prophetic' preaching. There was some good stuff on 
Self-pity and Bitterness right near the start, but after that it was 
mostly downhill. As always, there were plenty of anecdotes and 
tales of angelic visitations, etc. There were Scriptures quoted and 
a few helpful insights. But as far as a message that truly pierces 
and challenges and convicts - well, don't go looking for that in THIS 
prophetic movement! In fact, there were warnings AGAINST any 
message that might come across as even slightly "condemning", 
and there was even one of those cute talks on the need for 
"loving oneself", etc.

Today's prophets seem to talk a lot ABOUT the 'sword of the Lord' 
but never actually bring it to bear. They bring no piercing word. And 
thus the entire movement is open to great deception. And instead of 
REPENTANCE, people are getting all kinds of counterfeit spiritual 
experiences. There seems to be almost no discernment at all. 

The ON-STAGE DANCING throughout this conference was a good 
example. Now, I myself am a rock musician, but from the beginning 
these dance items had a rather 'wild' aspect to them that truly made
me uncomfortable in my spirit. There was even one that came 
across like a sensual 'Harem' dance. Much of it really felt "off" - 
and almost anyone who sees the videos will tell you so. Even the 
worship had a very "tribal" feel to it at times. And by Day Three they 
were doing dance items with just loud voodoo-style drums only - 
and leaping around in a frenzied circle making weird cries to the 
super-amplified beat. The feeling in the room was so oppressive and  
"pagan" during this, that I could hardly even bear to stay in there. 
Then came one of the most shocking statements of the whole 
conference - from one of the main prophets. He got up and said  
that people may feel uncomfortable with such obviously "pagan"
type dancing, but that it was originally God's type of dancing and 
we were just now 'stealing back' what the pagans had stolen from God! 

I have to admit, this was the last straw for me. What could be more
blatant? What kind of 'spirits' do they think are being transmitted to
people who open themselves up to that music?  There is no
discernment in this movement at all. 

Now, I do not primarily blame the dancers. They were young and 
possibly immature. (-They weren't actually from 'Whitedove' itself). 
Clearly, most of the blame lies with the main prophets who invited 
them in and openly endorsed and promoted what was happening 
the whole time. They would get up and publicly acclaim these 
dance items, thus ensuring that the spirit of it would pervade the 
entire event. And indeed it did - more and more. 

Remember, most of the major "movers and shakers" of the Prophetic 
movement were at this conference, going along with this stuff. I 
repeat what I said earlier: This movement demonstrates absolutely 
NO DISCERNMENT. I urge everyone to GET OUT NOW, before 
even worse is brought in. I believe this movement is RIGHT NOW 
being given over to deception by God - and it is going to get much worse. 

Even the 'spiritual' moments in this conference often had strong
touches of "Charis-mania" excess about them. And this was not 
the 'harmless, silly' kind of excess, either. It was at a level where I 
believe demonic spirits of deception were clearly at work. By the 
last session the audience was so hyped that they threw away all 
inhibition and leapt into the 'pagan' dancing themselves with wild 
abandon. And one of the main prophets even got up and announced 
that there were angels in the room going around "blowing on people's 
fingers" if only they would lift them up in the air. That particular part
sounds silly, but actually the whole thing by this stage had become 
awful beyond words. Virtually every day I came home utterly grieved 
and depressed. I had come to this conference with great expectancy 
and hope, thinking that the return of Bob Jones may bring a renewal 
of all that was originally good about this movement. I literally came 
as a 'friend' and they turned me into an enemy in the space of three days.

Below are the SPECIFIC THINGS that God told me He has against 
this movement as a whole:
-The giving and receiving of "ear-tickling" words. 
-The giving and receiving of money in expectation of prophecy. 
-False words and false teaching. 
-The lack of a true Repentance message. 
-The spiritual 'blindness' that allows familiar spirits and spirits of
divination to flourish. 
-The failure of this movement to judge itself, meaning that God 
must judge it. 
-The idolising of well-known prophets - placing them on a pedestal. 
-And so on....

WHAT NOW for us?

Well, obviously, with great sadness we must now totally cut 
ourselves off from today's Prophetic Movement. Any related links 
and articles will be removed from our web-site immediately.

As you know, for some time now I have spoken of the 'John-the-
Baptist' type ministries that must arise to preach REPENTANCE 
in the Western nations. -Preachers of righteousness with a piercing 
word, like the Finneys, the Wesleys and the Whitefields of old. 
Such ministries are essential for true Revival to come. I now see 
that this new move must completely "separate itself" from the 
influence of the existing Prophetic movement. We need a 
completely 'NEW' Prophetic, and to keep it from being tainted by 
the sickness that has infected the old, there must be a complete 
cutting-off and a "leaving behind".

I urge all of you to take this before the Lord for yourself. We live 
in very dangerous times, and I believe the old Prophetic literally 
stands under the judgement of God. 

For our ministry in Kansas City, what this means is that we have 
to go right back to the original calling and mandate over this city,
and build on that. We cannot build on the movement that came
after. The 21 days of prayer and fasting, the comet that came, 
and the comission to preach Repentance to the Lukewarm 
church - these were all foundational elements. So too were the four 
standards of "Holiness of heart, Unwavering faith, Day and Night 
prayer, and Extravagant Giving to the Poor". The original Prophetic 
move here seemed to be relatively pure for only a few years - and 
then quickly became a quagmire. So we have to stick to only the 
original foundations - and build on that. Our Sunday night meetings 
in Kansas City will certainly continue.

There were prophecies last year that a 'new' prophetic - a "second 
phase" was about to begin. I do believe this. But what we need to 
make sure of is that it does not become ensnared in the garbage 
of this previous movement. It must be totally NEW.

I would ask that you forward this email to as many Lists as you
can, and to your Christian friends. We want it as widely known
as possible that we have cut off all relations with the current 
Prophetic movement - and why we did it.

To email me with any feedback, please write to:
prophetic@...

As you can tell, it has been a terribly sad and devastating weekend 
for myself and my family. We would truly appreciate your prayers
at this time, my friends.

God bless you all.

Kindest regards in Christ,

Andrew Strom.

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